Artist Emma Mc Nally in conversation with Ralph Rugoff, Director of Hayward Gallery

Through examining Emma McNallys work, Ralph and Emma will consider the relation of drawing and thinking, exploring the different kinds of thinking that drawing makes possible and how it can trigger alternate modes of thought in viewers. Emma McNally has lived and worked for many years by the River Thames, London currently in her studio at Woolwich Dockyard just beyond the Thames barrier. Her relationship with the river is central to her work. McNallystudied Philosophy and Literature before continuing her thinking visuallythrough drawing. Her practice is an ongoing exploration of complexity and entanglement across scales, spaces, times. Her drawings have been utilised across categories where new modes of thinking are evolving (including ecology, physics, philosophy, music, politics, urbanism, mathematics, cartography, networks and complexity. ) She has shown internationally, including the Hayward and Drawing Room in London, Museum of Fine Art Houston, Biennale of Sydney, MON